This isn't necessarily about "rules", but it seems the closest category to put my question in.

At this weekend's campout we had a "flag war". Everyone knows the rules....defend your flag, steal all other Unit's flag. Blah blah blah.

Someone in Gwynedd fought with another Unit against Gwynedd and defended the other Unit's flag.

I found this wrong. But I don't know if there is a specific rule in Gwynedd about raising your weapon against a fellow Gwyneddian. Soooo, I'm asking.....is there?

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Gwenhwyfar,
The Mermaid out of Water
Archer and Keeper of the Bacon for House Red

Well, this is sort of murky. The 'rule' is sort of along the lines that you're not supposed to raise your weapon against a fellow Gwyneddian if you have a choice. Back in the day it wasn't unknown for Gwyneddians to be split up and put on different sides of a battle for whatever reason (sides determined by age, for example). In that case you're supposed to find a spot in the line not opposite your countrymen, and to give them some leeway if you run into them on the field. But sometimes running into another Gwyneddian is unavoidable. Once, for example, I found myself opposite of Owen, and both of us were more or less alone. It might seem like in that situation it would be easy just to let each other go. In fact, Owen said to me then, 'You know the rule, Zwei, we don't fight each other.' But he only said that because he thought I was dumb. The problem was that the position we were in was critical to my side and not his; if I let him go, he'd have free reign to my side's flank, and if he let me go it wouldn't have been a big deal. I told him as much, and said I wasn't going to let him pass. I honestly don't remember what happened after that, but you can see the point: I wasn't going to let Owen slaughter my side just because we don't like fighting each other at events.

On the other hand, there are no friends when the Kingdom is threatened, either from within or without. Any Gwyneddian worth his salt should be on Gwynedd's side for any war, banner related or otherwise. Or at least that's the idealistic response. On the third hand, Galatia would be somewhat depleted if everyone who had ties to Gwynedd fought only with us, and the game wouldn't be much fun that way. So I don't personally have a problem with Gwyneddians fighting Gwyneddians if it makes the game work.

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His Grace, Sir Zwei ap Owen of House Wyndhaven

So one time Gwynedd was stumbling home drunk and ran into Galatia. One thing led to the next, and the next morning during the Hangover Of Regret a stork delivered Detaru and Grog to the foggy couple. Ever since then Galatia may look at Gwynedd and ask, "why are Tetrarchs fighting against us?", whilst Gwynedd has pondered, "these Squires are fighting for another unit?" (detaru hasn't faught w/ Galatia at a battle for a long while, certainly not since becoming a knight).

So, when aiming Galatia on the field, I usually aim away from Gwynedd, and I've found her to do the same for me. At Teutonburg during Bananar Wars though, its a bit harder. I'll have to say, even with Grog raiding for Galatia and Fox occasionally defending Galatia's flag the Callahans still won the night.

Now, as to Zwei saying that Galatia would be "depleted" if we lost all of our half-breeds to them... here's a break down from JusFerDaHellait:

Galatia/Gwynedd Halfbreeds: Detaru, Grog
Galatia/Indomar Halfbreeds: Io
Galatia Proper: Averis, svaard, pintsize, roach, taisetsu, rover, balien, Clara, thundar (and his two goblins)

On the whole, Detaru, Grog and Taal are the only Galatian's I know to be affiliated with Gwynedd. I believe they also may be a part of this cancerous death-eater cult under the symbol of the fish that's been spreading through Galatia.

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Avarice of the Volcae
Tetrarch of Galatia


Edited by avarice on Aug 31, 2010 at 06:01 AM

I raise you one hammer to kill that fish!

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Kensman Tauron B'olde Haldane, House Sinistrad
Indomar, Isle of Myne
Dragoon, Free Company

As to fighting against Gwynedd during the banner Wars the person in question defended all groups flag at one time or another. Equal opportunity it seams. As to sou8nding off about perceived problems discuss the situation with that persons Lord and protector instead of airing it out first if the answer is unsatisfactory then discuss it with the King if it seems egregious enough. I think all the recent bad blood could have been avoided if if had been handled discreetly rather than openly.

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The Ancient Red Dragon, ALLFATHER of Kensmen,Lord Kensman of house TYR, Torke

As the father of the person I believe we are discussing I told her just go have fun.

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Sir Finn Wyndhaven HRME Sheriff of Gwynedd
Oldest member of House Wyndhaven

I know how it ended Zwei we rolled in to one another you threw all my shots at me and I threw all my shots at you. Then you died because you got shot in the back by your own teammate who was aiming for me but I moved to throw a rap just as the arrow was shot. Not that I couldn’t have taken you, with out the help, I wasn’t so broken then (yeah that’s it).
(If that was the time you where talking about)

As to the other, rules are rules, that being said there are always exceptions, if this person had his/her kinsman/knights permission to fight where they wanted to (or person in charge of them) then hey who are we to complain about it?

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Owen ap Finn
King of Taurendor
King Emeritus of Gwynedd
Dux Belorum of the Knights of Taurendor
Knight of Saint Michael and Saint George
Kinsman of Taurendor and House Wyndhaven
Domino Equeus of the Order of the Dragon

I think you're right, O. Speaking of throwing all your shots, does anyone know where to find that picture of Uly and me fighting each other where we're both throwing a nipply at the same time?

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His Grace, Sir Zwei ap Owen of House Wyndhaven

The one with the sheep in it? Nice shots BTW.

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Owen ap Finn
King of Taurendor
King Emeritus of Gwynedd
Dux Belorum of the Knights of Taurendor
Knight of Saint Michael and Saint George
Kinsman of Taurendor and House Wyndhaven
Domino Equeus of the Order of the Dragon

I'm really not that ignorant (honest).....I understand that Gwynedd and Galatia are very tightly co mingled.
I am NOT referring to anyone who has ties to both groups....that would just be silly on my part.

The person that I am referring to has ties ONLY to Gwynedd. NO other group.

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Gwenhwyfar,
The Mermaid out of Water
Archer and Keeper of the Bacon for House Red

There is no "bad blood" in my question. lol
Anything that I have to say to someone I say to their face.....hence I'm not liked by many.
Those who I like know it, those who don't...well....know it.
I really could care less.

If this was about a "personal" attack I would have called that person out forthright.
I didn't.
No mention of name, house, gender, etc. A simple question.

The question has nothing to do with "who" it has to do with "supposed to".

It is not a question that has to be asked in "secret" . It is a legitimate question that should have been asked in an open forum for everyone to know that answer to. Then....guess what....everyone knows the answer.

Obviously, the majority that have spoken find it "ok" for a Gwyneddian to raise arms against another Gwyneddian.
Hence the answer to the question.
Now everyone knows.

I stand by that it is not an honorable thing to do (in most cases). I myself will not do it. But if others feel it ok....I will simply keep that in mind on the battle field.

Issue solved. Question answered. No reason for anyone to be getting all bent out of shape.

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Gwenhwyfar,
The Mermaid out of Water
Archer and Keeper of the Bacon for House Red

I interpreted what Iskandar said to pertain less to whether the question raised was overtly inflammatory or innappropriate and more to the fact that it had the 'potential' to be so. Think, for instance, if the response were a resounding 'no' instead of zwei's measured, rational treatment of the issue, then it had the potential to become more persecutory than an innocent question would have been, and that it was the possible answers to the question that should've dictated how and to whom the question was asked..

Gwen,

I never said that I thought it was an alright thing to do. In fact I don't in anyway think that it is ok. If you are a full time member of the group, or call yourself a gwynaden and you serve in the unit, then you should fight for the unit.

That being said however, there are people like myself and others who were full time members but have moved away, joined other units or left Gwynedd.

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Owen ap Finn
King of Taurendor
King Emeritus of Gwynedd
Dux Belorum of the Knights of Taurendor
Knight of Saint Michael and Saint George
Kinsman of Taurendor and House Wyndhaven
Domino Equeus of the Order of the Dragon

Hence exceptions to the rule. Also under this we have to remember that this is a game, and people want to have fun. I was a stickler for this rule, others are not and that's ok. Let's not let this issue get under or skin and cause problems. So let's all just be friends, Gwen good question, it has been answered let's all just move on. No harm no foul, right?

O

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Owen ap Finn
King of Taurendor
King Emeritus of Gwynedd
Dux Belorum of the Knights of Taurendor
Knight of Saint Michael and Saint George
Kinsman of Taurendor and House Wyndhaven
Domino Equeus of the Order of the Dragon

Wart...If I was trying to "start something" with a particular person...I would have.
You should know that about me by now.
I would have called them out by their name. I have no issue calling people out if that is my agenda.
Instead...I was (I repeat) careful NOT to call them by name, house, gender, etc. So as to NOT make it a personal issue.

Other people here have alluded to the "who" NOT me.

I simply used this person as an example, because THAT is the example that I saw that brought the question to my mind. Whether I "like" this person or don't "like" this person has ZERO to do with the question. I would've asked the question if Freewynd did the action. (and believe it or not, I actually love him).

So, again "who".....which everyone seems to be fixed on.... has NOTHING to do with the question. "Who" is COMPLETELY irrelevent.


Owen:
Thank you.
I agree. No reason to beat a dead horse. I asked a quesiton. I got my answer.

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Gwenhwyfar,
The Mermaid out of Water
Archer and Keeper of the Bacon for House Red

In the spirit of flogging deceased equines...

In the matter of being at an official battle, Gwyneddians fight with Gwynedd, no ifs ands or buts about it (unless the scenario laid forth happens to segregate the unit by age, gender, veteran status, etc...)

As for something other than that, I'd have to say it is at the discretion of the person, and thier respective house leader and/or the king. Bearing that in mind, if somebody is going to be fighting against Gwynedd at an extra curricular activity, it is only in the spirit of fairness that they inform other Gwyneddians that they come across that they are fighting for somebody else at the time.

Game = Fun!!

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Surly?... I passed surly two drinks ago...
Swordbrother Morte of House Red
The Sexy Swordbrother, Novice Keeper of Beats, Huntsman of Gwynedd, Champion of Rhymes, and current King's Champion!

I concur!! Damned silly zebras.

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"I know of 48 ways to use a trout!"
Sir Detaru Lé Trout of House Wyndhaven
Talkative Gwyneddian, Dangerous with Knives
Keeper of the Royal Shiv

*insert important wall of text about beating horses and the correct uses of bats*

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With Regard,
HRM Cerrydan Wyndhaven